DISCUSSION ON
LIFE & DEATH,
ENLIGHTENMENT & ICHINEN SANZEN
With Reverend Raidou Hirota
Rev.Raidou Hirota (RH):  When we look at life and death they appear different. But
from
Nichiren Daishonin's point of view life and death are the same condition, there isn't
any difference between the two.

There are many people in this religion and in other religions who believe in reincarnation.
After person "A" dies some people believe person "A" will be reborn as person "A". In the
gosho Daishonin recounts 17 different rebirths or past life stories of Shakyamuni Buddha.
In one of his past lives Shakyamuni was
Bodhisattva Jofukyo, in another past life
Shakyamuni was Sessen Doji. Daishonin restated in his
gosho what Shakyamuni had
stated in the
sutras. Because it is written in both the gosho and the sutras people have
read about Shakyamuni's past lives. That's why believers are confused, and believe that
people will be reborn again, and again. It's a misunderstanding. The telling of these stories
was an expedient means of achieving an end quickly. If it was used negatively (for the
wrong purpose) it would be considered a lie. But when it is used to facilitate
understanding it's good. The purpose for telling these stories was to teach cause and
effect clearly. But the truth is I will die and never be reborn as me again. I won't be born
to the same parents, in the same family, have the same friends, be born in the same place,
during the same time period. Because the environment exists in time and space, you can
never be reborn in the same environment.

The human body can be compared to this bottle of water that I'm holding. The form is
there and the content is there. If the body dies it would be like the bottle falling over or
being destroyed and the water spilling out. This water is never going to return to the way
it was before. Water is water. It runs down the mountains to the ocean, evaporates and
becomes gas, condenses and becomes rain or snow on the mountains, then flows back
down to the ocean. It's a cycle. The property of water--H
2O--never changes. But it is
never again the same water,the same river, the same ocean. The essence of water is
Namu-myoho-renge-kyo . When water changes form its essence stays the same. The
same is true for human beings. Humans change form, but their essence never changes. It
will always be
Namu-myoho-renge-kyo.

If you look at two human eyes before and after death you notice the difference; that a
change has taken place--a change from life to death. With the human body there is a
difference between life and death, but the essence of life never changes, not even in
death. It's constant. It's always the same. In death there is life, and in life there is death. It
is a spirit that never dies. Even in death it's alive. And of course, in life it's a life.
CM: What happens to the essence after death?

RT: Doesn't it transmigrate (change forms)?

RH (Rev. Hirota): The essence itself doesn't change. It just takes a different form.

CM: When it takes a different form, what determines what that form is? Is it the past
causes of the life? It is the karma? You don't necessarily come back as a human?

KD: Where is this essence?

RH(Rev. Hirota): It's there. This leads back to the discussion of ichinen sanzen which
we had yesterday. This discussion is becoming way too philosophical. No matter how
many times or how many ways I answer the question, it will lead to another question,
then another, and another. You can never get to the answer. It is the concept of
ichinen
sanzen
(a single mind contains three thousand realms) that you have to grasp. We are all
connected no matter what our shape or form. We are all one.
AL: I don't understand this, and I don't understand how you can turn the light on about it
and make it clear.

CM: The gosho constantly talks about you practicing to be enlightened in this life and for
your enlightenment in the next life, and good fortune in your next life. There's a sense of
continuity there. If you practice now you assure your enlightenment in the future. It's not
that you start over again. It's not that it's up to chance. It's a continuation.

AL: I think that's true. But when you say what form are you going to come back as? We
know Rev. Hirota is never going to come back as himself.
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QUESTION: What happens at the moment of death?